Executive Interviews: Interview with Deborah Kolb on Women Entrepreneurs
January 2008
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By Dr. Nagendra V Chowdary
Deborah Kolb Professor Deliotte Ellen Gabriel Professor for Women and leadership Faculty Affiliate, Center for Gender in Organization Ph. D., Massachusetts Institute of Technology
What specific issues/concerns in
negotiations and gender-related
happenings are engaging your
research attention at the moment? Most research on gender and
negotiation compares men and
women's success in negotiating about a
limited range of issues primarily
compensation. However, when you
look at what happens within
organizations, there are significant
number of areas or domains of
negotiation that will influence
compensation.For example, certainjobs
are gendered in that they are a good 'fit'
with feminine characteristics and
others with masculine ones. These
requirements can be formally written
into job descriptions and/or become the
informal criteria by which people are
moved into jobs.
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This type of gendering
of jobs can mean that creating
opportunities can become amajor issue
of negotiation for some, not others. Are great negotiators born or made?
In other words, is it possible to turn a
'poor' negotiator into a good one? Is it
largely a matter of self-confidence? People debate whether negotiation is
an art or science and it is probably a
bit of both. But it is certainly possible
to turn a poor negotiator into a fine
one if you give people the tools to do
so. Self confidence comes fromhaving
good frameworks that help you
prepare for a negotiation. Just recently
on Good Morning America, I helped
prepare a woman who never
negotiates to negotiate over the price
of furniture and she was very
successful getting more than 10%
off the price at 3 different stores.
When you talk about negotiating for
opportunities as above, you have to
help people appreciate your value to
the organization that is what builds
confidence.
What is/are the most important
quality/qualities a good negotiator
should have? There are three important qualities for
a good negotiator: The first is
preparation and preparation not just
on the substantive issues being
negotiated, but also on what I call the
"shadow negotiation" which means
getting yourself into a good position to
negotiate by being clear about your
alternatives should negotiation not
produce the results you want. The
second quality is appreciating the
position and interests of the other
side you will do well in a
negotiation to the degree that you help
others do so as well. I always suggest
that people think about the five good
reasons the other party has to say no to
you and be prepared to address those
issues. The final quality is keeping an
open mind and thinking creatively
always think yes, and, not yes, but
when people make proposals that do
not seem to suit your needs. Think
about ways that you can build on
them.
Given the global nature of many
business negotiations these days, is it
more difficult than ever to prepare for
a tough negotiation? Any advice in
these situations? Once you are dealing in a global
economy, there are potential cultural
issues thatmight come up and that can
complicate negotiations. While there
aremany resources that purport to offer
advice on dealing in different cultures,
one needs to be careful about importing
stereotypes that can make a situation
worse.The best advice is to have a good
cultural informant perhaps as a partner
in complex negotiations.
How good are women as
negotiators? Can you share with us
your research insights on women as
successful negotiators? We tend to think about negotiating
primarily in terms of salary and
compensation and we know that
women, for a host of reasons, do not
do aswell in these negotiations.When
negotiations are framed solely in
terms of self advancement, women
can experience backlash when they ask. Butwhatwe have found is that to
the degree that awoman ties what she
needs to succeed to what is good for
her organization or group, that
backlash dissipates and indeed
women are very good negotiators.
Indeedwomenwho do linkwhat they
need to succeed with what is good for
their organization receive higher
performance reviews, are more likely
to be offered leadership development
opportunities, are more satisfied with
their work and are less likely to leave
their organizations.
What's your assessment of "glass
ceiling" that seem to exist so
prevalently? What it takes to break
that glass ceiling? Are there best
corporate examples that have tried to
break the glass ceiling? The definition of the glass ceiling has
shifted over the past 20 years. It used to
be that it was at the middle
management level that women were
underrepresented, but now it is at the
top. Some believe it is merely a
pipeline issue, but our research
suggests something else. We call it
"Second generation gender issues"
which are accepted cultural norms and
work practices that look like they are
natural and neutral but can have
differential impacts on different groups
of men and women. For example, if a
parent wants to negotiate a flexible
work arrangements, s/he does so
against an assumption that an ideal
worker is the one who is totally
committed to the organization. Or if a
woman performs what we call
"invisible work", being available to
other women to help and support
them, or being asked to sit on diversity
task forces these activities are not
likely to be rewarded in the same way
that taking on a strategic client might.
Therefore the person doing this work
needs to negotiate value for that work
or else, it does not count. Breaking the
glass ceiling means having both individuals and organizations
recognize these second generation
issues and working to change them.
Many of the organizations that come to
our School the Simmons School of
Managementto help them develop
theirwomen leaders have been doing a
good job at working through these
issues. Deloitte and Touche, for
example, has made many changes in
developing leaders, redesigning their
client assignment processes and
making flexible work arrangements
more accessible. All of these have
contributed to their leadership in
helping crack the glass ceiling.
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