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Executive Interviews: Interview with Donald N Sull on Why Good Companies Go Bad
January 2007 - By Dr. Nagendra V Chowdary


Donald N Sull
Associate Professor for Management Practice at the London Business School


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  • From your elaborate research on commitment and conviction levels, can you elaborate on the factors responsible for increased commitment and conviction levels of employees? What role does culture (the society that an employee comes from) play in shaping up these two attitudes?
    The role of national culture is fascinating. I have heard many times people say that their national culture runs counter to the corporate culture required to succeed globally. That may be true, but it is also irrelevant. The companiesmentioned above succeeded by creating a culture that differed fundamentally from the prevailing

    norms and values in the business community as whole in their country. AmBev introduced a value of winning into a sleepy Brazilian business culture, while CEMEX CEO Lorenzo Zambrano instilled a deep sense of ambition to compete globally in his company, despite a prevailing business culture in Mexico of avoiding global competition. If leaders can articulate and imprint a strong set of values in an organization, they can always find employees attracted to these values. These individuals would be misfits in most other companies in those countries, but can thrive in a context aligned with their values. To give a concrete example, Brazils AmBev recruited employees who were considered too competitive in many Brazilian firms, but then went on to harness the energy of these employees to rise to global leadership.

  • You have suggested identifying the gaps between what matters most to you and how you are investing your resources. How frequently should this exercise be carried out? What is the idealway of carrying out this exercise?
    Now, we are switching from theorganizational tothepersonal level. To me this is a simple exercise of periodically setting aside time to reevaluate your convictions, which might shift in emphasis over time, and evaluate your allocation of time, energy and money to activities that support these aspirations. I typically do this exercise once a year aftermy summer holiday, which marks a break from the day to day routine. The trick is not the exercise itself, which is quite simple, but the discipline to do it on a regular basis, and the courage to act on the findings.

  • There are two divergent lines of thinking in strategy making: one represented by Henry Mintzberg arguing that strategy is an emergent process; and others argue that its an intended and a deliberate process. What according to you is the right way of understanding strategy? Are there evidences to support this line of thinking?
    To me the traditional distinction between emergent and deliberate strategy is a false dichotomy. All strategy always retains an element of deliberation (figuring out what is going on in the world and making a plan) and emergent (responding to external events). A more helpful way of distinguishing strategies in my opinion is linear versus iterative approaches. The linear approach assumes that a leader can envision the future, create the perfect plan or vision at the beginning, then implement the resulting strategy. This is how strategy is taught in most business schools divided into a strategy formulation stage followed by a strategy execution stage. My research suggest that the most successful firms, at least in turbulent markets, follow a more iterative approach, where leaders first make sense of the situation, then make choices about what to do, what not to do and what to stop doing, then make it happen by executing on agreed objectives, and finally making revisions by revisiting initial assumptions and comparing them against what actually happened. An iterative process views strategy and execution as intimately linked, and indeed inseparable. If your readers are interested, I wrote a paper about this in 2007 in the Sloan Management Review, entitled Closing the gap between strategy and execution.

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