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Executive Interviews: Interview with Subir Ghosh on Customer-centric Organizations
December 2010 - By Dr. Nagendra V Chowdary


Subir Ghosh
Subir Ghosh



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  • How to make organizations customer-centric in every sense? Of course, companies like P&G, IKEA, etc., have pioneered the concept of Co-Creation as propounded by C K Prahalad and Venkata Ramaswamy (Future of Competition). Yet what is needed is an overhaul of approach from 'Inside-Out' approach to 'Outside-In' approach? How do you think companies should go about making their organizational DNA customer-centric?
    Well, it starts with hiring of customer-centric employees who display the key customer-centric attributes like customer first mindset, people orientation, common courtesy, professional acumen, resourcefulness and a 'cando' attitude.

    These attributes are measurable and every single member of the organization must possess these attributes to the threshold degree as the will to serve is critical in an organization, whether it be serving your colleagues or customers as I mentioned earlier that the level of external customer-centricity can never exceed the level of internal customer-centricity.

    The firm must then be willing to invert the classical organization pyramid by putting the customer at the top followed by those who directly serve them with everybody else engaged in enabling the previous level.

    It must walk the talk by adopting practices that seek to either recognize or punish customer-centric behavior by linking compensation of every single member to the meeting of customer satisfaction scores. It must also encourage practices where every person in mandated to spend a minimum amount of time on a periodic basis in a customer facing position to understand the voice of customer and also how the role he plays in the organization is either enabling or detracting from meeting the customers expectations. Such firms are characterized by a market orientation, i.e., customer and competitor focus, very low functional silo orientation and a willingness to experiment and innovate. They also follow the principles of inclusive purpose and shared rewards.

  • It is argued by some that customer experience management is required only in services sector or servicesoriented industries such as retail, banking, insurance, telecom, airlines, and ITES, etc. Do you concur with this argument or do you think that the customer experience management concept can be extended equally well to the manufacturing sector as well?
    The logic in the argument is fallacious if one remembers that all of us don't buy products, we just seek solutions to a problem or a challenge are facing at a point in our lives and believe that a product will help solve that challenge. Brand traction for products are not built around the products price or features which in that the traditional sense characterize the products, these are attributes we react to in a very rational manner. It's the aspect of emotions like trust faith, affability.

    Reliability status, etc., generate the emotions that create the bonding. These aspects invariably flow from the processes and situations that go with the acquisition, consumption and post purchase challenges that consumers experience and largely tend to be people and processoriented. It is interesting to note that behavorial science tells us that only people are responsible for anything that goes right or wrong in their lives and nothing else. So if a product makes you happy you are grateful to the guy who sold it and conversely the opposite is also true.

  • Is there any relationship between companies ranked highly in different customer satisfaction indices and customer-centricity? Customer satisfaction being the effect, what could have been the traditional causes of satisfaction and how can customer experience management be the new cause of customer satisfaction?
    Firms that believe in the science of customer experience define their goal as customer experience by design and not by default. To them consistently meeting and exceeding on customer expectations which they themselves create is the key. It is not a one off thing that happens occasionally when some employee is in a mood to be nice to a customer. In most organizations that are not customer-oriented, customer satisfaction is more accidental than intended. Adopting and practicing the science of customer experience can move them towards becoming customer-centric, thereby enabling them to deliver the expected experience on a consistent basis to win the trust and goodwill of their customers and we all know the commercial outcome of achieving this. Nobody in India embodies this more than the Tata group.

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