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Executive Interviews: Interview with K Ramesh on Management Guru
October 2010 - By Dr. Nagendra V Chowdary


K Ramesh
K Ramesh
Professor of Accounting,
Jones Graduate School of Business
Rice University



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  • 'The Thinkers 50' list, produced by Suntop Media in association with Skillsoft, is supposed to be a definitive guide to who is the most influential living management thinker. And this list changes every year. What do the changing names mean for the world of business – that the old thinkers' ideas have become irrelevant or that new breed of management thinkers have emerged?
    With respect to changing names, I am not sure the rankings change as much over time as one might think. For instance, 17 individuals, representing 16 ranks, 1 have been in The Thinkers 50 list in each of the five surveys dating back to 2001. Over

    roughly the past decade, a third of 'The Thinkers 50' list has consisted of the same group of individuals! The data appears to suggest that some management ideas have longer traction and they seem to influence management practices over a period of time. Not only have some of the thinkers routinely been included in the list, but also they are considered the cream of the crop. Management gurus like Prahalad, Hamel, Porter, Kotler, and Peters have been highly ranked on a consistent basis over the period 2001-2009, and, I am sure, they will remain so for a much longer period of time in the minds of many management practitioners.

    Where do management gurus come from? Interestingly, 11 of the 16 ranks have been occupied by academics. While one may wonder how one becomes a leading management thinker while sitting in the ivory tower, the notable academic management gurus have always enjoyed traversing the two-way street of academic thinking and the study of real-world management practices. I would find myself becoming an armchair quarterback if I did not regularly interact with standard setters, regulators, accounting firms, and business practitioners. Apart from academics, you will find a few business leaders ranging from the flamboyant Branson to the much more understated Gates in this exclusive group on the List.

    Another interesting question is when do individuals who are consistently viewed as 'guru material' leave the List and when do new gurus join? To answer this question, it is instructive to consider the case of Greenspan. One conjecture is that the global financial crisis contributed to Greenspan leaving the List in 2009. Interestingly, when Greenspan was ranked third in the List (the highest rank he ever received), the Dow Jones was hovering around 14,000. By the end of 2009, the Dow had dropped to 10,000. People are sometimes swayed by ex-post events regardless of what the ex-ante assessments were. At the time Greenspan stepped down from the Fed in 2006, some considered him to be greatest central banker of all time, and one US politician apparently said that he would prop up Greenspan with sun glasses if, God forbid, he were to die. To provide a balanced perspective, even at that time some argued that Greenspan did not take steps to avoid a bubble and may have kept the interest rate too low for too long. On the contrary, the same financial crisis may have been the cause of Taleb and Ferguson entering the List in 2009. For example, while Taleb has held steady with his ideas for years as well as embraced for a long time Mandelbrot's views on measuring uncertainty based on the bell curve, the global financial crisis probably brought Taleb’s ideas to the forefront and these ideas are slowly becoming part of mainstream academic and practitioner discussions.

    Occasionally, the alleged reasons why an individual was added to the List may not be commonly viewed as highly relevant to most when trying to identify management gurus. For example, some in the media alluded to his TV ratings when Trump made the List in 2007, and in fact, The Times of London identified Trump as "US Apprentice Host" in its listing of the top 50 thinkers! I am not sure whether he would view the ratings of The Apprentice show as the indication of his management prowess.

    Another example is Yunus. I understand that Yunus created the Grameen Bank Project in the late 70s and has been its Managing Director for over quarter of a century, i.e., he has been focused on helping Bangladesh make economic strides by using a socially bottom-up approach throughout his work. The fact that he received the Nobel Peace Prize in 2006 and possibly the increased attention given by strategic thinkers in recent years to developing nations as a key element of global corporate strategy may have catapulted Yunus to the List in 2009.

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